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'He's Just Not That Into You'

Posted on: May 2, 2008 5:09 pm
Edited on: May 2, 2008 6:19 pm
 

I remember hearing that said for the very first time on an episode of Sex and the City.  Carrie was introducing her new boyfriend, Jack Berger, to Miranda, Samantha and Charlotte for the first time.  The girls are discussing their love lives at some bar while Jack listens.  Miranda tells about a recent date where she invited the guy upstairs, but he declined saying he had to be up really early.  He kissed her twice and said he'd call her.  Jack bluntly utters his opinion, "he's just not that into you."  The girls argue with him about push/pull, guys are afraid of rejection too, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Jack reveals the secret to men is that there is no secret.  If they're interested, they say so by going upstairs and booking the next date. 

I'm all for Jack's assessment of a guy's behavior on a date, but what about 10 or however many dates down the road when the guy loses interest?  How about when they end a full blown relationship that's lasted months or maybe even years?  Why is it that one day "he's into you" and the next day, "he's not that into you?"  Now, I've been through my share of breakups, and I'll admit that after the initial shock wore off, I could objectively look back on most of them and see that there were warning signs.  I just didn't want to see them.  I'm sure there are many other women who've been through the same thing.  All of a sudden, he's really busy and preoccupied.  He's moody.  He cancels dates you have planned.  You just think your relationship is on such solid ground it's impossible it could be anything more than what he's saying.  But it is.  So, why, if it's so simple with guys, don't they just come out and say it?  Yes, it's going to hurt the girl, and yes, she may cry, but you're a man aren't you?  So be one. 

I have also been through breakups where after that initial shock wore off, I could objectively say there was no forewarning.  These are the really perplexing guys and situations.  You're going along, talking all the time, getting closer and closer which leads you to believe he really likes you and then boom, nothing.   I've always thought it was because the guy got scared.  He's not ready for anything more serious with her or anyone, and he wakes up one day with the realization he's been getting close to a girl.  Well, that just can't happen.  So, what would be so terrible about telling the girl you like her, but you feel things are getting too serious, and it's not the right time for you?  My, honesty, what a novel thought.  It beats playing the games both genders play.  Hmmmm.....how many days should I wait to call?  How about as many as you want instead of as many as is necessary to throw her or him off.  Why can't everyone just say and do what they want?

It is true that men are from Mars and women are from Venus.  The most notable difference to me is how women like to talk things out, and men can't be bothered.  I'm not criticizing men for that because I envy their ability to let things go.  A lot of the time, women just can't.  We need some sort of explanation for why things happened, some sort of that annoying word, closure.  As we mature, we realize it's just not worth the agita to chase down a reason, but doesn't mean we don't wonder from time to time.  Men letting things go makes them adverse to facing the girl of the moment when they want to end things.  Hey, both sexes know each other to a certain extent, and all a guy can think of is how he doesn't want to deal with a crying chick.   Isn't that why they ease their way out hoping she'll either figure it out herself or break up with him?  I think so.  Why can't we all be reasonable and accept our differences by meeting each other halfway.  Hey, I promise not to freak out if you promise not to be a chicken. 

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Posted on: May 2, 2008 7:58 pm

'He's Just Not That Into You'

I hate breaking up with women.  And if it really was just a matter of them promising not to freak out if I promise not to be a chicken, it would be a much simpler life.  But most women will freak out no matter how much they promise in the beginning not to or how much they say they just want the truth.  I don't even mind the freaking out, really, unless it means begging me to change my mind and forcing me to come up with a firm, clear cut reason for not being into them any more.  I'm sorry, but somewhere along the way, people lose those feelings for another person and it's rarely a sudden thing.  No, you're not ugly.  No, you're not a bad person.  No, you didn't do anything to make me hate you.  I'm just not into you any more.  There is no firm reason. 

And that can seem sudden to the woman when it isn't.  Like you said, if you look back there are usually warning signs.  And it's hard to break up with someone, especially after a year or two.  It's not like you don't love the girl any more.  Heck, you might love her a lot and after breaking up with her might go and feel like crap for a few weeks because you miss her.  But if it's not right it's not right.

My opinion is that if there truly are no warning signs, then the guy was probably very good at deceiving you about the nature of the relationship and he's found something he thinks is better.  Guys don't go from fully content to zero content overnight.  If the guy really cares about a woman, it takes a while to come to terms with her not being right.  And it's a painful decision not because she's crying but WHY she's crying, i.e., you're hurting someone you really care about (this only applies if the guy isn't an arse and he actually cared about her).  That's not easy and it's not a decision that happens over night.

One problem, I have, however, with the whole "sharing our feelings" concept is that many women don't REALLY want to know what we're thinking because they are going to overreact to it and make you regret your honesty. 

"Do you think she's pretty?"
"Yes, I do!" 
"How can you say that?" 
"I'm being honest."
"How can you be attracted to someone else besides me?"
"I'm a man, not a robot!  I can't help being physically attracted to pretty women."
"Do you like her more than me?"
"Of course not.  I think you're beautiful and I love you.  I don't give an eff about her."
"But you said she's pretty."
"Yeah.  Physically, I find her attractive.  That doesn't mean I'm interested in her."
"Right."  *POUT*  *SILENT TREATMENT*  *SULK*
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!"

or

"Do you really want to go to the ballet with me?"
"No, but I'll go because I love you and you want to go."
"Forget it.  You never want to do things I want to do."
"I didn't say that.  I want to go.  I don't particularly like ballet, but it won't kill me and I won't hate it.  I like spending time with you."
"I don't want to make you do something you don't want to do."
"I want to go."
"No you don't."
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

These are example of the woman not wanting the guy to be honest.  At least, not most women.  If I find the woman who really does want honesty about such things and won't freak when I'm honest, I'll marry her.  Huge bonus if she's willing to believe me when I say "we can do things you like even if they're things I don't, I really want to."  Double bonus if she's able to be independent and go with her friends to some things that I don't like.  Oh, and side note: If you are not willing to hang out with your friends after we start dating, things are not going to work out.  I want to feel like I can hang out with my friends without feeling guilty about leaving you alone and I want for both of us to have a life outside the relationship.  I could probably settle for you not making me feel guilty for wanting to go on a golfing trip with the boys, but it would be better if you planned something fun with the girls instead of sitting at home lonely and unhappy.

One I really get uncomfortable with is "how are you feeling about us."  Don't ask that unless you really want hear me say "I'm not sure.  I love you and I enjoy spending time with you but I'm not sure if you're the one."  This is a fair answer after 6 months.  However, if this conversation happens after 2 years, then probably you'll  never be the one.  That's on the guy to break it off at that point, even if they have found a comfort zone with the woman and might even be happier with her than without her.  After 2 years, though, he most likely will never marry her without being pressured into it and who wants that, anyway?  It's hard to do, but it's better for everyone.  If I know you're the one, you'll have a ring on your finger.  If not, the answer will be "I'm not sure."  I don't mind telling you "I'm not sure" but be prepared for it.

I'm also very uncomfortable with women trying to get me to share my feelings when I'm not really feeling anything in particular.

"Are you o.k.?"
"Yup."
"You seem quiet."
"I'm pretty tired.  It was a long week."
"But nothing's wrong?"
"Nope."
"Why won't you talk to me?"
"What do you mean?"
"I think something's wrong."
"No.  I'm just in a quiet mood.  What would you like to talk about?"
"How you're feeling."
"I'm feeling tired."
"So you don't want to talk?"
"That's not what I'm saying.  I just have no feelings to discuss at the moment.  I'm not sad, mad, overly happy, or anything else worth sharing."
"You need to open up to me."
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!"

It's hard enough to discuss our feelings when we're actually feeling something.  It's impossible when we're not.  If you want us to talk about our feelings when we did have a bad day or a great day, you have to be patient.  We're not good at talking about our feelings.  I'm willing to explore my feelings, but you might have to probe me a bit so I can figure it out.  I might seem like I don't want to open up, but the fact is I just don't know how to explain what I'm feeling.  Give me some patience and eventually I'll be an open book.  If I find the woman who's willing to figure out how to help me figure out my feelings, I'll marry her.

And if a guy doesn't come up, it's possible that he really likes you but doesn't want to screw things up.  I can't imagine not going up with a girl I really dig, even if I have to skip sleeping before going to work the next day.  I think most guys are not into a woman if they aren't willing to be invited up to her apartment (or home).  I wouldn't call it an absolute rule, though. 

how many days should I wait to call?  How about as many as you want instead of as many as is necessary to throw her or him off.  Why can't everyone just say and do what they want?Couldn't agree with you more.  What the heck is the 2 day rule, anyway?  Why a woman would feel that I'm needy just because I liked her enough to want to call her the next day is beyond comprehension to me.  Dating is painful in the beginning because people are so worried about what the other might think.  Lame. 

Yeesh...this is my second manifesto post of the day.  I guess not being on CBS all week has caused me to bust out.



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Posted on: May 2, 2008 8:26 pm

'He's Just Not That Into You'

Cancel the subscription Badger.

"I'm not into you any more" is doublespeak for, "I've got something a lot better all lined up." or, "If I can't do better than you, I know this cool monastery."



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 7:10 am

'He's Just Not That Into You'

Hey, dont know ya, never seen you post before but hell you're on my favourites, dont want to miss one of these blogs.

"Breaking up sucks so we should all put up a wall and have meaningless relationships so we dont get hurt."

But sounds like someone is speaking from experience...a hell of a lot of good Tv shows....

Later!



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 12:19 pm

'He's Just Not That Into You'

Hey, North Harbour, nice to meet you.  I'm one of those baseball fanatics, so I mostly post on those forums, although I've been busy lately, so I haven't even been doing much of that.  Are you saying you don't want to miss one of my blogs?  If so, I'm flattered, lol. 

JD, thanks for the info.  I have no doubt you're right. 

Badger, it sounds like you're posting a personal ad with all the mentions of how a woman needs to be in order for you to marry her, lol.  It's true though that women can be crazy, I admit it.  The fact of the matter is, if we don't want to hear the answer we're smart enough to know we're going to get, we shouldn't ask the question.  Of course men are human and going to look at a pretty girl.  Do women never check out a good looking guy?  It's just that you should be respectful about it and not make it obvious.  As for the talking about feelings part, well, I mentioned how I think that's our biggest difference.  See, the problem is, Badger, that when a man comes home in a bad mood or tired or whatever and doesn't feel like talking, the woman takes it as either she's the problem, or he doesn't feel like she can help him.  Women just have to be more confident and not think they're the problem.  They also have to realize nurturing isn't always what someone needs.  I know I'm at fault much of the time for giving advice to someone who's told me a problem when all they really needed was an ear.  Everyone should really follow the rule that you shouldn't give advice unless you're asked for it.  Where romantic relationships are concerned though, the best thing 2 people can do is support each other in whatever way works for them.   Problem is it usually takes awhile to figure out what works for the other.  Maybe people should just tell each other up front.  Hell, who am I kidding, women would still want their man to tell them what's wrong. 

DB, it's very true that feelings can't be helped, and people do fall out of like or love.  It just happens.  A woman can't help but cry sometimes when faced with the end of a relationship.  Men should still do the right thing and be up front with her.  They're just going to have to deal with the subsequent emotions.  Nobody does anyone any good by staying in a relationship that isn't working for them.  All that's going to happen is resentment which could lead to treating each other badly which could lead to a bad breakup and dislike for each other that could've been avoided.  You're also preventing each other from meeting a person who could be right. 



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 12:41 pm

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LOL!  I didn't realize how long that post was until I looked at it after I posted. 

Sometimes there's just nothing wrong with us guys.  That's what women have to understand.  And maybe it was just a boring day with nothing worth talking about.  If you REALLY want to hear about how I read papers all day and spent a lot of time going to the bathroom because I drank too much coffee, well, then, I can tell you that.  But, then I got nothing and I truly don't know what to talk about so you need to take the lead here.

Also, what's with the telling us your problems and then getting mad when we give suggestions on how to solve them?  You can't really expect us to just listen and not try to help, can you?  Maybe it was just my last girlfriend who was like that.  She'd get so pi$$ed at me because she thought I wasn't on her side solely because I tried to give her advice.  I hated that.



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 12:58 pm

'He's Just Not That Into You'

Simple fact:  Making fire out of nothing is fun, tending an already made fire is boring work.  Sometimes it's just easier and more fun to let the fire die out and start over.

 



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 1:14 pm

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Morning Yankeechick, Red , Badger.

First, I apologize, Badger, for following you around, but you lead me into interesting conversations.

Two thoughts.  Yankee your response reminded me of some dialogue from "White Men Can't Jump"--Woody Harrelson's character is in bed with his girlfriend.  She says that she is thirsty and Woody offers to get her a glass of water.  She gets mad and basically says that when women say they are thirsty they want sympathy and understanding of "thirstiness" not a glass of water.

I really do think men and women's brains are wired differently.  A great book The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine, M. D., who is a neuropyschiatrist and the University of California at San Francisco is one I recommend.  Red and Yankee will like it because she makes a convincing case that women are basically smarter than men--or at least have a better brain.

Some of her points include:

A woman uses about 20,000 words per day, while a man uses about 7,000

A woman remembers fights that a man insists never happened

Thoughts about sex enter a woman's brain once every couple of days but enter a man's brain about once every minute(In Badger and my case more often than that!)

A woman knows what people are feeling, while a man can't spot an emotion unless somebody cries or threatens bodily harm

Thought you might be interested--suppose I could put the book stuff on Jaggrl's book blog (a great blog if you haven't seen it)

How can you like the Yankees is what I really want to know--lol



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 1:23 pm

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YC, Badger and red: Those were three beauties all in a row. Lovely!  Thanks for the sweet thread, YC.

Hope your girls made a good showing in the volleyball tournament, red. Been missing your smack. Badger, when's the next evolution battle going to start?



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Posted on: May 3, 2008 1:29 pm

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Women just have to be more confident and not think they're the problem.

this is part of the freaking problem.  most women have low to no self esteem.  the ones that are very strong tend to scare off most men which might be a good thing so they can wind up with one that obviously want to be with said type of woman. 

honesty - funny word.  women want us to be honest, and when we are, it blows them away, shocks them.  i know exactly of what badger mentions.  i dated this one girl for two weeks and it was the longest two weeks of my life.  she had a friend that was finer than fine.  all my friends wanted me to pair them up with her.  when i asked about her friend, she asked why?  i said that my friends wanted to meet her.  why?  because they think she's good looking.  did i think she's good looking?  the pause gave it away and she freaked.  gimme a break.  i wasn't asking for myself, and if i wanted to i would have. 

bottom line - if people were just open and said what they wanted from each other, a lot of time would not be wasted.  not everyone is relationship material. 



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