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How to Get the Job

Posted on: March 29, 2008 3:54 am
 

First, let me express that my last item was directed at employees who just don't seem to get it.  They wonder why they can't get anywhere or aren't given more hours, etc.  Well, it's because they don't seem to have good work ethic as defined in my list.  If you want to move up at your job or be recognized, those are things employers look for. 

When it comes to hiring, there are also things employers look for.  The first step is the resume.  It should be on 1 page and easy to read.  When I say easy to read, I mean your potential employer should be able to pick out each job, and everything should be aligned.  Different fonts and bullet points will accomplish this.  For instance, I have each of my jobs in italics with my responbilities individualized with bullet points.  This way, anyone looking at it will be able to tell where one job ends and another begins.  Your responsibilites should also be concise.  Assume your interviewer is very busy, and you need to get your point across before they say to hell with it.  Nobody wants to read too much.  Whatever you do, do not put anything on your resume you haven't actually done.  It's ok to exaggerate a little, but you have to be prepared for someone to ask you questions about everything on your resume.  On that note, leave room for questions.  Put in things that will peak someone's interest.  For instance, instead of saying you increased sales by such and such percent by doing such and such, only say you increased the sales without telling how you did it.  This will probably prompt the interviewer to ask you how you did it giving you the opportunity to sell yourself.  Along with the resume comes the cover letter.  This actually isn't necessary unless asked for in an ad.  If it is, make sure you only include things that aren't in your resume.  No point in being redundant, and even better, you get to mention all the other stuff you've accomplished.  You also want to state why you want to work for them, and why you'd be an asset. 

Interviews are tough, no doubt.  The most important thing is to be yourself.  Try to look at it as a conversation between 2 people rather than an interrogation.  Start off with a firm handshake, a smile and eye contact.  Smiling and eye contact is important throughout the interview.  Be honest about everything.  You'll wind up tripping yourself up if you aren't, believe me.  Be prepared to answer why you left every job on your resume.  Also, be prepared to answer why you're looking for work at that point.  If you got terminated, tell them that.  They're going to find out somehow anyway.  It's true, it's illegal for your ex employer to say anything more than you worked there from when to when, but people have ways of finding out.  Besides, the right employer will appreciate your honesty, and that's someone you'd prefer to work for anyway.  The best answer you can give if you were terminated is you made a mistake.  The best answer you can give if you want to leave your current job is that there's no room to grow.  Do not tell anyone you're having a problem with management unless it's really legitimate.  Saying you don't get along doesn't inspire confidence that you have a respect for authority. 

You will inspire confidence if you've researched the company you're applying to.  How better to show how much you want the job than by being able to talk about it.  It shows genuine interest, and it also shows you went out of your way to prepare yourself.  Asking questions also shows your interest.  Now, one thing you don't want to do is take over the interview.  Yes, the idea is for an employer to find out about you, but they don't need your life story, and like I said, it's supposed to be a conversation between 2 people, not yourself.  The whole idea of an interview is to sell yourself as someone who is more competent than anyone else they've interviewed, more motivated and more likely to fit in.  Exude confidence.

As a finishing touch, make sure you get your interviewer's card.  Use it to send a thank you note or email saying you appreciated the time they gave you and how much you enjoyed meeting them.  Bring up specific points you spoke of in the interview to show you listened, and remind them specifically of you since they probably spoke with many others.  Let them know how sincerely interested you are in the job and look forward to hearing from them.  If it's a job you especially want, it's really ok to follow up with a call.  Sometimes, employers get sidetracked, so when you call, you're reminding them of you, a person they might really want, but haven't had a chance to call.  If they tell you they haven't made a decision, take the hint and move on.  They might tell you they hired someone else, so at least you'll know.  Whatever the case, one call doesn't hurt, and might in fact help.  Assertiveness and aggressiveness, to a certain degree, are qualities an employer will appreciate. 

Lastly, understand that the hiring process can usually take up to 2 months in companies.   A lot of places put you through online personality tests as well.  Do not let those stress you out.  Just answer the questions honestly.  Don't second guess yourself wondering what answers they want.  There aren't any.  Those tests are really just to determine that you're not antisocial and/or a sociopath.  If there's a job you especially want that's taking too long, call them up with a fib.  Tell them you've gotten another offer, but you're really interested in them, and you want to make sure you have all your options before you make a decision.  It works, trust me. 

Good luck!

 

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Posted on: March 29, 2008 10:03 am

How to Get the Job

We have to agree to disagree on many of the points (not surprising since you're management and I'm labor), but the statement you make about begninity of personality tests is surely incorrect:  if you're not a sociopath how can you ever become  a CEO.  I suppose that personality tests are slightly less invasive than phrenology, but they're really no more accurate about anything of substance; they're used to sort people into alleged types.  To quote a well-known poet:  "there are two types of people in the world:  those who sort people into types, and those who don't."



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Posted on: March 29, 2008 10:48 am

How to Get the Job

Interesting how you say you disagree on many points yet only cite one, Poetz. 

Personally, I think personality tests are a waste of time, but nowadays, companies are extremely careful about who they hire.  That's why background checks, credit checks and drug tests are run.  They feel personality tests will at least steer them away from someone who's a psycho.  It's true that a smart psycho/sociopath will easily beat the test though. 



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Posted on: March 29, 2008 8:27 pm

How to Get the Job

Great post Yankee,

You gave some excellent advice to job seekers, specifically regarding the resume.  This is the thing that will get your foot in the door.  As a hiring manager, when I am looking at an applicant's resume I always do what I like to call a "thumb test".  If I do not see anything that sparks my interest, by the time I reach the point where my thumbs are holding the paper, I generally will move on to the next candidate.  That being said, my advice is to make the first half of the first page count with a strong career summary and a solid objective statement.  I also agree that bullet points are key.  Do not write in paragraph formats.

Fantastic interviewing advice.  I would like to add a few things to this however.  I can usually tell how an interview is going to go based upon four things I notice withing the first thirty seconds of an interview.

  1. Appearance - Please shower, shave, and wear appropriate attire for the environment in which you would be working. 
  2. Hand Shake - I expect a good firm hand shake regardless of gender.  This simple act exudes confidence.
  3. Eye Contact - Be prepared to look me in the eye upon our initial greeting and throughout the interview.
  4. Body Language - Be aware of every gesture you make.  Don't sit too stiffly or too casually.

Be honest.  A good hiring manager will see right through obvious exaggerations or lies.  Don't be too cocky.  Keep in mind that the you do not know the background or knowledge base of your interviewer but he does know yours. 

Although it is polite, politically correct, and generally the correct thing to do, I never like receiving the obligatory "thank you note".  Yes it is a very nice gesture but, I have not taken the time to meet with "you" the individual, at this point.  I have taken the time to meet with your resume.  I did not just by you a present.  I realize how harsh and impersonal this sounds  Receiving a note or not receiving an note has never sways my hiring decision one way or the other.  If I am requesting applicants back for second or third interviews, I have that all coordinated by one of our corporate recruiters, and as a general rule, once I have completed the interviewing process and have made my hiring decision, I pass everything on to our human resources generalist to make the official job offer.



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Posted on: March 29, 2008 8:36 pm

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Appearance is a very good point that I left out, Tundrajaz.  I'm immediately turned off by someone who isn't dressed to impress.  If you take how you present yourself casually, how can anyone expect you to take a job seriously. 

Body language is tough because it's really hard not to fidget in an interview because you're obviously nervous.  If you're aware of it, you can control it though.  It's true you don't want to appear to stiff, but you also don't want to be slouched down in the chair.  Like I said, be yourself.  Sit in a comfortable position, but not too comfortable.

In your position, I can understand not expecting a thank you note, but I'm the last interview for my hiring process.  I realize you're basically the screener, and I think a thank you note is overkill there.  Once you get into the specific people, I do think it adds a nice touch, and when I was looking for work, my headhunters told me my notes were specifically mentioned to them and appreciated.  In fact, a couple of people said they loved it.  If nothing else, it puts a reminder about you in people's heads. 



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Posted on: March 29, 2008 9:19 pm

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Yankee,

I really like this thread.  I hope this will help a lot of people.  You clearly know your stuff.

I know I was pretty vague in my earlier post, as to what my role really is in the hiring process.  I'm not really a screener.  I just choose to be very involved with selection process for people that will work within division.  Granted, I'm sure that most people at my level are not this "hands on", especially in a company as large as mine.  Our process is pretty long and drawn out.  I begin the process by sending a staffing request to our human resources department.  They intern develop a job posting, according to my specifications.  It is then passed on to our recruiting department who posts the open position on the corporate website and with third part recruiters.  The recruiting department then collects all of the initial responses, sends out automatic rejection notices to those who do not meet the minimum requirements for the position.  Those that do meet the minimum requirements, are then screened via a telephone interview with a recruiter.  If they pass that process, their resumes are sent to me for review.  Those that I reject are sent appropriate notices.  Those that I choose to interview, are contacted by the recruiter, to schedule a meeting.  Once interviewed, those I choose to hire are contacted by our human resources department, and offers are made based upon the salary etc. that I am willing to pay based upon our salary grades and the candidate's, experience and skill level.  There are times where I request that the candidate be brought back for additional face to face interviews.  I usually have those interviews conducted by other members of my staff or one of my colleagues.



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Posted on: March 30, 2008 11:12 am

How to Get the Job

As a manager of people who has hired 70 or so folks in her career I would add the following:

  1. Get a fresh hair cut guys, short and conservative, shave close, have your nails done either professionally or by your own hand.  No dirt under the nails, clip the nails and generally make your hands look good.  Along with your head, your hands will be center stage because you will handshake, gesture with them and likely place them on the table for me to see.  Ladies, conservative first and foremost.   Slutty has no place in the work place...that is for after hours only.  To revealing of dress is a red flag for HR.  Also, gawdy nails and jewelry, garish make up, and wild hairdos are also red flags.
  2. Clamming handshakes are a major turnoff.  Get in a state of mind that will control you nerves.  If that is indifference, anger (to a point), whatever, get control of your nerves.  Failure to get this job is not the end of the world so dodn't put so much pressure on yourself.  I don't bite (in the workplace, that is).
  3. Don't smoke.  With Health Care costs we only want healthy people.  Sorry but that is the way it is.
  4. Remember to interview me about my company as well.  You have to decide to work here as well as me deciding to offer you a job. Have an attitude like a shopper looking for the right purchase.  This will give you more confidence and will facilitate two way conversation.

Labor - get over the distrust of management.  Management only exists because of you.  We need you.  We need you to be an active part of our companies.  Contribute all that you can and you will be successful. 

The Management

 

Smorgie

 



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Posted on: March 30, 2008 11:03 pm

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Tundrajaz, I've always been interested in doing a job like yours.  Will you hire me?  Just kidding, I actually absolutely love my job except for my hours which suck, but you can't have everything.  If I ever get fed up though, I just might be serious. 

I'm curious as to why you're against thank you notes.  Maybe it depends on the job, but I've always made it a point to send them, especially when I really wanted the job.  I've always gotten good feedback afterwards.  I'm not saying it will absolutely get someone the job, but you need every possible edge you can get that makes you stand out and be remembered. 

Smorgie, thanks for the input.  Also, thanks for the management plug.  We need love too, lol.  I think some employees wind up being anti-management because they've had one bad experience.  It's just like that one bad relationship that's left you jaded against men or women, at least for a little while.  You have to understand there are good managers who will give you every opportunity to succeed and treat you with respect.  Not only do we need your labor, we don't want to lose you.  It is extremely hard and not cost effective at all to have a high turnover rate.  Don't automatically start a job with a chip on your shoulder about management because it won't get you anywhere, and you just might miss out on experiencing a great opportunity.   I mentioned being jaded by the few bad apples that always exist, but the truth is, I never let them effect my treatment of everyone else.  You're all individuals just like us.  In order to create a positive work environment, everyone has to give each other the benefit of the doubt until otherwise proven. 



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Posted on: March 31, 2008 8:45 am

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Yankee,

I guess I don't like the letter because it never, in any way influences my hiring decision.  If the candidate did not impress me in the interview, a thank you note will not change that.  I realize that it is probably the politically correct thing to do, meets the general rules of a polite society, and may help in certain situations, but I personally do not need a thank you for .  If I was doing an "informational" interview, not having a specific opportunity to fill, that is a different story.  I suppose it is all personal preference.



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